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March 15, 2010

Ms. Rajiva, my reply

On March 1st, author/blogger Lila Rajiva, http://mindbodypolitic.com, posted a critical piece on a couple-or-three paragraphs I’d written about Baltimore publisher Agora Inc. Ms R. seems to have hung on every word, maximizing her “hit” ratio with verbal ammunition, although she does not give her readers an actual link or title citation to my article that she quotes, as one might expect a responsible journalist would do. To make up for her shortfall, the article in question is “The Debt-For-Nature Scheme” and was not designed as a hit-piece on Agora Inc. The Agora paragraphs are brief and general within the context of Debt-For-Nature. http://jenniferlake.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/the-debt-for-nature-scheme/
Who is Lila Rajiva? She is Agora Inc. founder Bill Bonner’s co-author of “Mobs, Messiahs and Markets”. She has a Wikipedia biography http://mindbodypolitic.com/about/ listed on her ‘about’ page (here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lila_Rajiva ) A native of India (one assumes from the bio), Rajiva did doctoral work in the US and resides in Baltimore (and Argentina as well?), and has authored 2 books: (quoting wiki) “The first book examines the place of Iraqi prisoner torture in U.S. culture and politics and is a study of propaganda; the second book details mass delusions and explains why they continually arise.”
I wonder why Ms. Rajiva has even bothered to critique me, small fish that I am. By taking the Agora material out of context and supposing me a ‘rookie’, is she making sport of a ‘soft’ target? or did she perceive an opportunity to weave ‘spin’ according to her credentials as a somewhat-authority in “propaganda” and “delusion”? I have no doubt that my regular readers have an interest in unwinding the ‘spin’ and getting down to fundamentals about real world problems and their causes. I also don’t doubt that Ms. Rajiva has similar interests, if she could just figure out which side of the fence she’s on, but that’s purely my wish. Maybe she knows exactly her position. As it stands, she straddles fact and fiction and moves the fence when it suits her.
In answer to Rajiva’s March 1 article (with update, 3/06/2010), http://mindbodypolitic.com/2010/03/01/more-agora/ the following is my reply:
Rajiva claims “while googling, I stumbled on some weird material by a blogger Jennifer Lake, who seems to have gotten some facts mixed up about libertarian newsletter publisher, Agora Inc. [I've since had time to read through her archives and many of her entries are overtly anti-semitic]“
The first thing LR wants to tell you before launching her critique is “weird” and “overtly anti-semitic”. The second hyperlink leads to 3 posts that quote from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I’ve referred to the Protocols myself as “hoax or not” they seem to be acted upon in the implementation of official policy. The quotes are supported by demonstration in the body of the blog. Is it “weird”? –ee-yeah!  We’ve all heard the maxim “fact is stranger than fiction” and in the world of advanced technology and medical science, which is a dominant theme in my blog, this is surreal weirdness. The objective existence of the Protocols makes it “fact” but only in demonstration can it be determined if it’s true, and I’ve found the principles of the Protocols underlying much ‘truth’ in the outcome of events. Apparently, as Ms. Rajiva will have it, that makes one an anti-semite.
   Anti-semitism is certainly an issue as a ‘weaponized’ charge and confessed “trick” that has been used to generate opposition to legitimate claims, criticisms, and dissent against Israeli or Jewish actions. In Ms. Rajiva’s blog post “Israel-Palestine Problem Exhibits Wound of PTSD”, she writes, “For Jews, the great trauma is, of course, the Holocaust itself, the systematic and ultimately incomprehensible slaughter of one-third of world Jewry“. http://mindbodypolitic.com/2010/03/04/israel-palestine-problem-exhibits-wound-of-ptsd/
Slaughter of one-third? Is that a “fact”? If I question the source and accuracy of her statement, I would be labeled ‘anti-semitic’ and a (worse) ‘Holocaust denier’, however I deny no one the legitimacy of their personal suffering. In fact, I agree with Lila that “they need therapy”. What’s interesting is that this hyperlink is the top of her critique, not related to the content of Agora or the article she is quoting from, which is never cited in the first place.
See this video about using the charge of “anti-semitism” as a “trick” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA
As for “some facts mixed up” about Agora: how badly did I do?
“[Lake]“Agora Inc. was established as a publishing company in Washington D.C. in 1979 by its founders; William Bonner, Jim Dale Davidson, Porter Stansberry and Lord William Rees-Moog.
(Lila: I don’t believe Stansberry was involved in founding it…he might not even have been born would have been very young at the time; and it’s Rees-Mogg. Moog is the electronic synthesizer. Also, most people who’ve written on the subject don’t mention Rees-Mogg as a founder, except Lyndon Larouche. Besides Larouche, the person who harps on Rees-Mogg is a minor Internet spammer…”

—like I said, in context I was generalizing. Stansberry founded 2 or more later divisions of the various businesses under Agora’s umbrella. That makes him a founder, or ‘partner’ if you prefer, in the expanding establishment. He was not an original incorporator in 1979. If I erred, it was for being too brief and nonspecific but I’ll take a lesson. It was not my intention to belabor the Debt-for-Nature article. Instead, I offered a source link which details the original founders as Bill Bonner and James Dale Davidson. Rees-Mogg was included in my statement precisely because others identify him as a founder, one of whom LR describes as ” a credible left-oriented writer”. Good thing LR caught that “Moog” mix-up so nobody thinks I was referring to a synthesizer! It was probably a typo on my part and I’ve been criticized before for not correcting typos. Consider me ‘slapped’. I only used his name once, so who knows if it was a typo or not– I don’t even know. A lot of what follows this is apologist drivel, which Rajiva couches as “Not to defend Agora, but…” and proceeds to defend Agora.  LR confirms rather than refutes more of what I’ve written, such as disreputable stock promotion, government connections, charges of fraud, etc. and writes this about her own efforts at exposing Agora:

“.. I’ve been quite critical of Agora (within the limits of what you can say of a place where you once worked)”…”I posted a detailed criticism of Agora that I later took down to avoid claims of defamation

We’ll have to take her word for it that such a publication existed and was as damaging as she suggests, though I do not find Ms. Rajiva a credible exposer under the circumstances. As she points out by way of another veiled hyperlink, noted as “other facts” concerning the murder of an Agora employee who may have found out inconvenient truths as his widow believes, knowing or exposing things about Agora could be hazardous. Much safer just to talk about how honest and forthright you’ve attempted to be.

The larger criticism in all this appears to be a “lack of evidence” charge. Since her readers probably don’t know that LR quoted every single word about Agora in the Debt-For-Nature article, and wasn’t simply highlighting the passages of some ‘tell-all’, it stands to reason that there just isn’t very much there. She says she’ll do some homework, but will she post it? Considering the off-putting nature of the “overtly anti-semitic” content on my blog, which begins and ends the article, LR had already censored herself with  “confirming my decision not to link the material” that was otherwise supportive (of something at variance with the sanitized Agora, one gathers?)…and so, in all, she has demonstrated the limits of her offering as just another disingenuous propagandist willing to protect and apologize for criminals.

15 Comments »

  1. All I know is that,aside from alledged Pentagon shooter John Bedell,
    that Ludwig Von Mises’ biggest fans are fascists indeed such as James
    Dale Davidson founder of Steve Forbes’ National Taxpayers Union near
    the SEC headquarters in Alexandria,Virginia as well as newsmax.con
    that includes the British fascist Lord William Rees-Mogg,deceased
    wingnut General Al Haig,et.al. and Agora Inc,Baltimore(and world wide
    internet) penny stock promoting and money laundering scumbags Bill
    Bonner,Lila Rajiva,Porter Stansberry,Lard William Rees-Mogg,and CIA
    ‘economist’ and
    Columbia University parasite Mark Skousen of the Nevada Fraud ‘Freedom
    Fest’ et.al..Their corrupt group also includes Texas Republican
    wingnut and womens rights denier Ron Paul who lied to the SEC about
    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac AND THEIR SLEEZY PENNY STOCKS being ‘naked
    shorted’ for them .
    All these Lew RockWell-ian parasites are Misesians which certainly in
    itself doesn’t say anything good about Ludwig Von Mises.Maybe Mises
    wasn’t a crook,pseudo-intellectual or CIA scumbag but his admirers at
    present certainly are.

    http://washingtonindependent.com/78543/john-bedell-and-ludwig-von-mises

    John Bedell and Ludwig von Mises
    By David Weigel 3/5/10 3:39 PM ThinkProgress points to a strange item
    on the Bazpedia page of Pentagon metro shooter John Patrick Bedell,
    buried below the incomprehensible kookery (”I have posted the image to
    the right in order to illustrate the use of cannabis as a monetary
    system using digital financial instruments“) and a brief appreciation
    of libertarian economist Ludwig von Mises.

    Comment by Tony Ryals — March 15, 2010 @ 4:53 am | Reply

  2. Jennifer Lake,
    Because one of Lila Rajiva’s biggest peeves with you is that you identified the Lard William Rees-Mogg as a founder of Agora Inc,I dug up my old correspondence with her from 2005.The email denying that James Dale Davidson was a (or the) founder of Agora Inc is not the first email of our brief correspondence of 2005 but I place it first to show she lied for Bill Bonner and just took his word that Davidson was not a (or the) founder of Agora Inc..Note she lied about me ‘stalking’ her (or it) when the correspondence,(that she had removed from the internet or at least David Marchant’s offshorebusiness.com and the sec.gov site),clearly shows she is the one who contacted me and lied about James Dale Davidson not being a founder and no longer being involved with Agora.In fact this was a ruse of Davidson,Bonner,Porter Stansberry(who I corresponded with)and their new con artist Lila Rajiva to try and get me to stop my criticisms of the Agora Inc pump and dump money laundering operation.
    I omit my replies to her for brevity’s sake here,however as you can see she introduces herself to me – not vice versa.Then she lies and lies about me ‘stalking’ her and that James Dale Davidson was not a or the founder of Agora and besides Bill Bonner fired him or whatever.And the U.S.SEC allows these con artists complete freedom to run stock fraud and use the internet for mass m ail fraud in a way they never could with their mailed penny stock promotion before arrival of the internet.Another penny stock scam artist named Bud Burrell also spread lies about me on thesanitycheck.com and makes death and torture threats against me.It is rumored that James Dale Davidson has contributed money to maintain that website and provided cell phones to its operators although Overstock.con’s Patrick Byrne takes credit for funding it.And Patrick Byrne(son of Geico billionaire Jack) gave the most in campaign donations to ex Utah Gov Jon Huntsman who is now Barack Obama’s Ambassador to China ! Lila likes to post on their deepcapture.con website.All their many scam websites are for express purpose of fraudulently claiming their stock many scams’ share prices fall because of ‘naked shorting'(by a ‘Sith Lord) according to Byrne,rather than being illegal pumps and dumps the U.S.SEC does nothing about.I call it stock share money laundering and NOT ‘naked shorting’ which is a term James Dale Davidson virtually made up in 2002 when he created NAANSS or National Association Against Naked Shorting and claimed in his Agora Inc Vantage Point newsletter and internet cyberfraud promotion that Genemax and Endovasc were not pumps and dumps but instead had been ‘naked shorted’.Ha.

    Subject: Re Agora and Davidson
    Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:25:56
    Dear Mr. Ryall,
    I read with interest your articles on the net regarding Agora Publishing and the stock ventures of the founder, James Dale Davidson. However, I was led to believe that Bill Bonner well-known copywriter and author is the founder. Can you please clarify this as I have had some dealings with the latter gentleman and am concerned about such connections. Could it be that you are mistaken in your accusations?
    Sincerely
    Lila Rajiva

    Dear Mr. Ryals:
    Thank you for all this information. I will certainly keep it in mind. I plan to work for Mr. Bonner only in a limited way and with nothing to do with his stock activities or selling. I am a writer and and planning on working on a book with him that has nothing to do with finances.
    I appreciate this information and do thank you for it. But I am not in a position to ascertain the truth of it and don’t have the time as well. I hope that you will be able to recoup your losses. I sincerely feel for you about that as I suffered similar losses through unscrupulous individuals.
    Kind regards
    Lila Rajiva

    Lila Rajiva&
    lrajiva@hotmail.com
    To: endoscam@lycos.com
    Subject: Re: Re Agora and Davidson
    Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:19:44
    Dear Mr. Ryals,
    I did speak to Mr. Bonner about Porter Stansberry. He was very forthcoming and adhered to the position that he was not guilty of any legal wrong doing, such as pump and dump. He seemed a very open and sincere individual so I am a bit puzzled.It’s quite possible that some of his associates are involved things he is not aware of. Or that they were only inexperienced or needlessly zealous, which was unfortunate, but may not be illegal. Do let me know if you come across anything else.
    Lila
    Rajiva

    Comment by Tony Ryals — March 19, 2010 @ 5:29 am | Reply

    • Hello Tony
      Thanks for posting and adding insight to your experiences with Agora Inc. I can say with certainty that Lila Rajiva is not peeved with me over the details of Agora’s founders. Her dilemna, be it deep, is refining the smoke-and-mirrors diversions of her “I don’t think so” approach to refutation. The trouble with her postition is that she’s attracting an audience of readers who are intelligent enough to see through it and if she can sell ‘sincerity’ convincingly enough maybe they wont look too closely, she can hope.
      In my case, concerning the Debt-For-Nature article, she refuted nothing. She had no critique of issues. Her efforts were directed at constructing ridicule. I could have returned the favor, but you know what? Ms. Rajiva, if not committing indictable offenses herself, has an opportunity to get out of this attempt at damage control on Agora’s behalf. There’s too much attention coming from this economic train-wreck in America for people to not to investigate. They’re paying dearly in health, wealth, and quality of life and will be looking everywhere for the sources of dysfunction. Agora is bound to pop up all over. Is she willing to chase that around saying “I don’t think so” when it is already evident that she is morally compromised with self-censorship (fearing charges of ‘defamation’ –“isn’t that exciting?!”). The attention that both of you give the subject piques my interest (and I’m not lumping you two together!), saying only thanks again for expanding the information. Given her summary assessment of you, it’s enlightening to see how she operates with mock empathy.

      Comment by jenniferlake — March 19, 2010 @ 6:21 pm | Reply

  3. I certainly feel ‘out of the loop’ at discovering only now about the strange death of Porter Stanberry ‘friend’ Rey Rivera that occured in 2006.However I did write about the unexplained death of John Berthoud who was Davidson’s replacement as National Taxpayers Union president and who NTU members found ‘in peace’ at his Beltway home in 2007,about the time Davidson began promoting the U.S. incorporated Pluristem,(stem cells from placentas),fraud out of the NTU office building in 2007.Newsmax was also used to tout this Israeli connected stock fraud.
    Also I wrote briefly about the death or Jimmy Hoffa-eque disappearance of tax attorney Elizabeth or Liz Calvert and her husband John at Hilton Head,North Carolina in an article about James Dale Davidson and South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford a while mainly because of Hilton Head’s history of hosting sleezy characters like Davidson and Bill and Hillary Clinton and other corrupt Beltway connected sleeze a while back.
    Lila Rajiva began emailing(stalking) me sometime after my correspondence with Stansberry which occured before his friend’s strange death.The Agora Inc folk left the widow with no compensation whatsoever after her husband’s death.Lila
    must know more than she is telling….

    Who killed Rey Rivera?

    http://whatsinsideourbrains.com/?p=292&cpage=1#comment-110

    My comment to article whose link is above:

    Strange indeed.As you can see from link to baltimore.indymedia.org
    below or simply by doing a google search ‘tony ryals porter
    stansberry’ that I have been denouncing Agora Inc for years and as you
    can see Rey Rivera’s ‘friend’ and employer Porter Stansberry invited
    me to visit Agora Inc. and Baltimore in 2005.
    Uh,I guess I was wise or lucky to turn down this generous Baltimore
    ‘hospitality’.
    I was NOT so lucky as to avoid Jim or James Dale Davidson’s internet
    stock fraud however which is how I became involved with them and
    correspond with both Porter Stansberry and Bill Bonner’s co-author
    Lila Rajiva in the first place.I have no doubt whatsoever that they
    are SEC and U.S.government connected and protected ‘securities’ and penny stock criminals in the first place and I have suspected worse.
    Another unexplained death at least to me is John Berthoud who was
    James Dale Davidson’s and Steve Forbes replacement as president of the
    National Taxpayers Union who the NTU employees found ‘in peace’ at his
    residence in the Beltway a while back.Davidson ‘coincidentally’ used
    the NTU office near SEC main headquarters in Alexandria,Virginia
    around the time of Berhoud’s death as well as his Fox News connected
    newsmax.con website to promote a fraud called a worthless penny stock
    called Pluristem with both Israeli and Carlyle or Frank Carlucci
    (suspect in death of Patrice Lumumba in the Congo around time
    of Kennedy assassination)connections.That scam claims to use stem
    cells from placentas for medicine but I suspect this fraud that
    launders money through Leumi Bank,Israel funds more devious causes
    with money it bilks mainly from American investors.
    Also I only recently discovered another of Agora Inc.’s,Bill
    Bonner’s,James Dale Davidson’s,Porter Stansberry’s,Lord William
    Rees-Mogg’s,Mark Skousen’s ,et.al.’s many sham ‘companies’ called
    Oxford Club was originally called Goldcor and lured potential
    investors-suckers to Costa Rica to defraud them with lies about
    turning black Costa Rican beach sand to gold !

    I briefly quote and provide link from Bill Bonner’s Baltimore
    co-author Lila Rajiva herself who wrote an article about her
    employers’ Goldcor connection and the strange ‘suicide’ of Goldcor
    President Richard Brown who was found with a bullet in his head in
    November 1991 as Goldcor began to unravel.

    I have received death threats from a Mr.Bud Burrell who is associated
    with Patrick Byrne’s Overstock.com and lies like Davidson did about
    stocks being ‘naked shorted’,a term Davidson virtuallly made up in
    2002 to explain why shares his illegal penny stock pumps and dumps
    Endovasc and Genemax had fallen to abruptly in price. Jim Davidson
    created NAANSS or National Association Against Naked Short Selling and
    operated it out of his Genemax office in Blaine, Washington at the
    time while using his Agora Inc Vantage Point website to lie about
    Genemax and Endovasc being victims of ‘naked short selling’.. Byrne
    later hired ex Utah SEC attorney Brent Baker(now representing a
    Stanford hedge fund crook) who removed all charges against Davidson
    and Porter Stansberry for Endovasc and Genemax frauds before leaving
    the SEC.
    It should also be stated that James Dale Davidson was involved with
    the George Herbert Walker and Ronald Reagan regimes and gave money to
    Bill Clinton before turning on him and accusing him of killing his
    childhood friend Vice Foster.Mark Skousen of Agora and Heritage
    Foundation and Columbia University brags of having been a CIA
    ‘economist’.
    I wonder why Lila Rajiva never mentioned the death of her Agora Inc colleague on her blog ?

    http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/11382/index.php

    Agora Inc., Bill Bonner , Porter Stansberry , Jim Davidson and fraud
    Author

    * Tony Ryals

    Date Created

    * 03 Nov 2005

    Below is my recent email correspondence with Porter Stansberry of
    Agora Inc.’s Baltimore headquaters who pretends ‘James Dale DAVIDSON
    don’t work here no more’.Lies and deception from Agora Inc.whose
    business is lies and deception, in my opinion.Again both Bill Bonner
    and ‘James Dale’ or ‘Jim’ Davidson have claimed to be sole founder of
    Agora Inc.,without either confronting each other for the other’s lie.

    —– Original Message —–
    From: “Porter Stansberry”
    To: endoscam-AT-lycos.com
    Subject: Jim Davidson
    Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:06:22 -0600

    Tony —

    A friend recently emailed me a copy of your online tirade against JD.
    I don’t know what he did to you…though I can imagine…

    But, your presumption that I am an associate of Jim’s is entirely
    false. It is true that Jim was a founder of Agora in the late 1970s.
    But he quickly sold the majority of his interest to Bill Bonner. Jim
    has no ownership stake in Agora and Agora no longer publishes his
    newsletter. While Jim used to be an editor, he was never a colleague
    of mine; we worked in totally separate divisions, which were owned and
    managed as completely separate business units. In fact, since I have
    been part of Agora (1996) I’ve never worked on any project or had any
    involvement whatsoever in of Jim’s publications or business ventures.

    Frankly, I have serious doubts about his integrity and honesty and I
    was glad when Agora decided to stop publishing his newsletter.

    If you would like to know more about Agora (which is a large holding
    company with many operating groups, one of which I control) or more
    about the SEC case I am involved with (which has nothing to do with
    short selling or pumping and dumping) I would be happy to meet with
    you in my office in Baltimore.

    Regards,

    Porter

    ……………

    http://mindbodypolitic.com/2009/04/10/turning-beach-sand-into-gold-the-goldcor-swindle/

    The most interesting part of this little history is that the Royal
    Society of Liechtenstein was sold off, changing its name to the Oxford
    Club, which has been since then a part of Agora Inc.

    The Brown death was never seriously investigated, say some SEC
    officials, who believe it was a murder.

    What’s even more interesting is that Nadel’s Chief Operating Office,
    Mark Ford, who was also banned from selling stocks directly as a
    result of the settlement with the SEC, changed his name to Michael
    Masterson, and followed the Royal Society of Liechtenstein to Agora
    Inc., as part of Oxford Club and as a consultant.).
    -Lila Rajiva

    Comment by Tony Ryals — March 22, 2010 @ 8:42 pm | Reply

  4. http://mindbodypolitic.com/lilas-daily-reckoning-writing/

    Defamation is no substitute for research.

    Lila Rajiva

    Comment by lilarajiva@mindbodypolitic.com — June 28, 2011 @ 5:18 pm | Reply

    • Good to see you picking up on that concept, Lila. Strange, under the circumstances, that you’d post your vindication issues with Tony Ryals (link) here considering your own unprovoked effort at defaming me, but this has nothing to do with me, right?, just some housekeeping. Best wishes.

      Comment by jenniferlake — June 28, 2011 @ 7:57 pm | Reply

  5. Jennifer, respectfully, if you think I defamed you, you don’t know the meaning of the word.

    If I wanted to discredit you, I wouldn’t have linked you.
    However, there is material on your blog that IS defamatory, not to mention a few other serious legal infractions I will leave to your fertile imagination.

    I offer just one documented lie among dozens by Mr Ryals. Ryals claims I invited him to Baltimore. I have every email I wrote to him available on my blog. Please tell me where I wrote inviting him.

    Ask yourself how one person can be a jihadi, CIA agent, stock-fraud, paid propagandist, AND illegal alien all at once, as he has accused me of being.

    If that sounds like gibberish to you, as it should, ask yourself why any researcher who wants to be seen as credible would take the word of someone who makes statements like that over the documented research of a published academic, with dozens of testimonials to her accuracy.

    And maybe you should also ask a lawyer whether the courts would still see your research as responsible writing “in the public interest” or actionable libel in concert with a documented cyber-stalker and basher.

    Publishers of material can indeed be held liable under the current laws of defamation, cyber-bullying, and IP theft
    And, unlike Ryals, I think you don’t live in Guatemala.

    It would be foolish to get caught in the cross-fire.

    Kind regards.

    Lila Rajiva

    Comment by lilarajiva@mindbodypolitic.com — June 29, 2011 @ 10:45 pm | Reply

    • Firstly, Lila, you did not “link” me, and your article that prompted my original response (this post) was baldly aimed to discredit.
      Webster’s:
      defame; 1) disgrace, 2) to harm the reputation of by libel or slander, 3) accuse [syn. see malign]
      malign; 1) evil in nature, influence or effect: injurious 2) to utter injuriously misleading or false…suggesting actual loss of or injury to one’s good name…

      For the second time, Lila, you’ve sought me out for your own purposes of defamation. Is this your game? I never heard of you until my writing appeared in your blog, which you did not reference with a link. Are you threatening me with legal action? Cyber-bullying? What kind of “cross-fire” are you suggesting?

      Comment by jenniferlake — June 30, 2011 @ 1:47 am | Reply

  6. Yes, I misspoke. I meant to say I “referenced” you.

    1. My analysis of your incorrect statements is journalism. Ask a lawyer. Making bogus statements about nameless unindictable offenses of an individual, when there is an ongoing discussion of actual and alleged crimes, using someone like Ryals as your source, with no visible research on your part, and with the clear intention of smearing by association is indeed defamatory. It is called “false light”.

    2 Furthermore, far from helping “expose” anything, Ryals has actively sabotaged the work of people engaged in investigation. But you wouldn’t know that, would you? Because that would take actual research.

    3. Responsible journalists correctly refrain from influencing the outcome of cases by “trying” things in the press. That means they would be reluctant to make any assertions that might be construed as interference. If they have previously worked for someone and had their own problems with them, they would be especially careful not to make inaccurate statements, because as former employees, they would indeed have to meet a higher standard.

    But, of course, you wouldn’t know that, would you? That would take actual research.

    Comment by lilarajiva@mindbodypolitic.com — June 30, 2011 @ 1:43 pm | Reply

    • Again, you did not “reference” my writing that you quoted with a link. My analysis of your style of journalism is that it’s ‘propaganda’. I believe I’m fully within my rights to say that –ask a lawyer– and it has nothing to do with Tony Ryals who posted his comments here 16 months ago. Your sudden appearance now to defend yourself has been given equally ample and uncensored space including your link to a lengthy rebuttal about Mr. Ryals claims. Not enough? It’s not my responsibility to pick flies out of your soup in the scope of “free speech”. If you succeed in shutting down Mr. Ryals from posting unflattering and defaming things about you, I would abide any legal decisions that require removing those comments.
      Lila, I’m not the “press”. No one pays for written material from me. It’s my own decision to provide links and resources from ‘fair use’ venues which I do willingly. In the areas that I research, I give as many examples as I can to illustrate a theory or demonstrate a point, often returning to those subjects for more detailed review. Apparently, you believe that being a “published academic” should confer instant credibility, but I could easily construct a list from reputable news sources demonstrating the criminality of published academics. Much of what I write about concerns exactly that. In the fields of medicine and science, which would be held to a much higher standard than journalism, the results of fraud often end in large-scale capital offenses– very much “in the public interest”.
      Did you want to grow up and become a “serious journalist”? If so, you might want to cut your losses here. Threatening or insulting me is not likely to earn you any “serious journalist” points.

      Comment by jenniferlake — June 30, 2011 @ 3:33 pm | Reply

  7. I said that publishing false statements with malice is indeed a crime.
    Republishing copyrighted statements without the permission of the author in the context of ongoing defamation and cyberharassment of the author violates the copyright notice and notice of fair use clearly posted on my blog.

    These are statements of fact, not threats, to any objective reader.
    Statements prefaced by “respectfully” and ending “kind regards” are unlikely to be regarded by any credible person as insulting.

    And “Insulting” is a weak defense from anyone with a blog replete with baseless charges against a variety of people.

    I informed you about the law, because I figured it would be fair to let you know, should I ever decide to pursue Mr. Ryals and his helpers.

    I won’t repeat that mistake.
    Regards.

    Lila Rajiva

    Comment by lilarajiva@mindbodypolitic.com — June 30, 2011 @ 3:58 pm | Reply

    • Do you want your email portion of Mr. Ryals comments removed? What result would satisfy this issue? Do you seriously think signing off with “kind regards” erases the intention of your post? Lila, your purpose seems not only to track down Mr. Ryals but to open a new front of conflict with me personally. Please cite the “false statements with malice” to which you refer.

      Comment by jenniferlake — June 30, 2011 @ 11:19 pm | Reply

  8. Ms. Lake,

    Why do you feel you are free to say anything about anyone on your blog, with no evidence whatever, but if your victim fights back and asks for your sources, you suddenly claim you are free of the responsibilities of a journalist.

    Well, madam, if you are free of those responsibilities, then you are also free of the rights.
    There is no right to make untrue statements, especially ones of a highly derogatory and damaging nature. There is no right to aid and abet cyber-harassment and copyright infringement, without any defensible reason.

    And no, nobody claims that credentials confer instant respectability. But lacking credentials surely doesn’t confer it either.
    My point, to make it crystal clear, is that if you feel free to attack others with insinuations of criminal behavior on public forums, you should be prepared when they exercise their rights to self-defense.

    Comment by lilarajiva@mindbodypolitic.com — June 30, 2011 @ 4:30 pm | Reply

    • Lila, what specific “sources” and what “statements” have I made that you would like to address? Something from the article above, “Ms. Rajiva, my reply”, or something from the “Debt-for-Nature” article? Please quote me and point out where you see something “untrue”. As to your exercise of self-defense, I am not hindering your effort at self-defense. You’re freely posting here. Are you suggesting that I am victimzing you? Unfortunately, you’re conflating a reasonable and justifiable self-vindication argument with someone else as a secondary claim that I am injuriously generating “defamation” against you. Ironic, for the fact that your name appears in my blog for the very reason of “self-defense”, for casting my original writing as “weird”, “overtly anti-semitic” and not worth providing a link to a long quoted passage. Is that how “responsible journalists” behave? You did veil a link to this blog which opened on a page about the Protocols of Zion, ostensibly proving your own claim that the subject of the Protocols is “overtly anti-semitic”. You’re entitled to your opinion. Your tactic has been noted and rebutted. But if someone did this to you, quoted you at length and did not name the article or link the source material but diverted a reader to unrelated content supporting a contrived characterization of your work, I have NO DOUBT whatsoever that you’d call foul and use words no less strong than I have. This entire situation was initiated by you –axiomatic for throwing stones from your glass house. Most of us learn this lesson as children. If you care to answer my questions and discuss the issues “responsibly” you may. If you intend to continue in the vein of ridicule, propaganda, misdirection, threats or intimidation, then I am dis-inviting you to post here. Take it or leave it, Lila.

      Comment by jenniferlake — June 30, 2011 @ 7:21 pm | Reply

  9. Ms. Rajiva appears to have exercised the “leave it” option, so I’ll post a few closing thoughts about her accusations: 1) that I am “making bogus statements about unindictable offenses…2) using someone like Ryals as.[a] source, with no visible research… and 3) that I am “republishing copyrighted statements without the permission of the author in the context of ongoing defamation and cyberharassment”. These are a few classic propaganda techniques straight from the Institute for Propaganda Analysis, which offers 7 basic techniques; Name Calling, Glittering Generality (1), Transfer (2 and 3), Testimonial, Plain Folks, Card Stacking (3), and Band Wagon (2). I see four of seven applications in just two of her sentences.
    Tony Ryals, who posted here as freely as Lila Rajiva, doesn’t appear to be using any copyrighted material –to my knowledge, her emails to him would not be copyrighted. In any case, emails make no mention of a claim that Rajiva invited Ryals to come to Baltimore, instead, there’s a visible invitation to Ryals from Stansberry. Tony Ryals is not a ‘source’ for what I’ve written (if it were so, I’d add the reference)– we’ve obviously crossed paths on the web. I’ve since read several of his postings and found them very interesting, touching on a number of points in my own investigations. He posted here under his own steam and was neither solicited nor helped by me and that goes for “research” as well. Given that the comments Tony made are over 16 months old and no further commentary was added, there’s no way to construe that as “ongoing harassment”. As far as I’m concerned, what I wrote was straightforward in contrast to the marginally veiled threats of Lila Rajiva, who may imagine herself a part of the “clean hands” division of her former or current employers. They apparently mistreated her.
    But whatever her troubles, “what you see is what you get” from me. I have no part in any “ongoing harassment”. I’m sure the subject of Agora, however, will come up again. In keeping with the tenor of Lila’s comments here, her linked ‘rebuttal’ to Mr. Ryals which she couches as ‘self-defense’ is a slur-fest of defamation against him. I hope Tony’s keeping copies for the countersuit.

    Comment by jenniferlake — July 7, 2011 @ 9:53 pm | Reply


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